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Class Action Lawsuit Against Masterfile.
« on: July 20, 2011, 02:54:45 AM »
We are preparing a case against Masterfile. If anyone has any evidence or information that might help prove their illegal business activities, please post it here, or email us directly.

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Re: Class Action Lawsuit Against Masterfile.
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2011, 10:33:38 AM »
Could you supply a little bit more information?  What is the name of the attorney handling this suit?  What is the legal basis?  While I believe that Masterfile is using morally corrupt practices and the greed factor has completely taken hold within their business plan, they still are within the law as it is written.  We need attorneys and the people on the receiving end of these letters to lobby our politicians to change the law in a way that is fair and equitable to both parties regarding "innocent infringement."  Frankly, I believe that a simple "cease and desist" letter is sufficient.  However, I do not believe that Masterfile, Gettyimages, etc. will be happy with that opinion.  Therefore a flat penalty for the first time "innocent infringer" should apply, perhaps $250.00 or a figure that is reasonable and not so extreme as what they are currently demanding for one image.  In my case they want $5,520.00 for one image.

Furthermore, I have made it my personal mission to make as many people as possible aware of these tactics.  I have used "Google image search" to notify people with the same image on their website (43 of them to be precise) about what they could potentially face and suggest they come to this site to educate themselves.  I plan to do so with other images owned by these opportunistic thieves to thwart at least some of their revenue from "innocent infringers."  I truly believe that once this stream of revenue is depleted as a result from an educated public, the repercussions will doom some of these companies.  I will never use a stock photo, or web template again, and I bet there are many who feel the same way.

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Re: Class Action Lawsuit Against Masterfile.
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2011, 03:32:12 PM »
Absolutely agree! Masterfile and other businesses like this, are acting legally, within the law, and you cannot do anything about it, even if you can clearily see that this is straight extortion. In Russia we would say ''lawfull theft"  to this. That's true, that the Law covers only plaintiff's side, and there is no defense for "infringeners", innocent or guilty - they do not care. Absolutely agree about cease and desist letters - if they sent it first, they would not make any money. This law needs to be reviewed and corrected. The government tryes to fight the huge debt, meanwhile a lot of money from taxpayers are floating to Canada, UK, etc. as retroactive license fees. And these money could be used for business development, neccessary purchases (think sales and other income taxes).
As for lawsuit against masterfile.... There is no proof that they are froud. What they will do with this lawsuit is wipe their "some" place with it and throw away. What we can do, is to create a kind of petition (or I don't know how it can be called) for the government to review and adjust the law so both sides would be equally protected. But if there is a serious and lawfull ground for the suit - that's a different question.....

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Re: Class Action Lawsuit Against Masterfile.
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2011, 03:20:49 AM »
It is about time someone is doing something about these Somalian Pirates of the Internet.

If it feels like an extortion, it is an extortion. If it feels illegal, it is illegal, or will be illegal soon.

This is USA. With time we make laws protecting our businesses and citizens. American judges are not blind either. Always choose trial by jury when you deal with corporate mob and you will prevail most of the time. Americans will not side by a foreign predator.

You have to hang on. They will pay for what they do to people soonner or later. Extrortion and blackmail is illegal, just as copyright infringement.

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Re: Class Action Lawsuit Against Masterfile.
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2011, 12:47:03 PM »
"Somalian Pirates of the Internet"

An absolutely spot on analogy of MF, Getty and the rest of these extortionist/shysters.
Love it!

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Re: Class Action Lawsuit Against Masterfile.
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2011, 03:17:54 PM »
Try Extortion, Blackmail.

We all victims should unite and strike back.

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Re: Class Action Lawsuit Against Masterfile.
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2011, 01:01:43 PM »
We have been contacted numerous times by class action attorneys looking to file a claim.  We have always cooperated and provided them with info but none have seen fit to file.

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Re: Class Action Lawsuit Against Masterfile.
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2011, 12:01:13 AM »
Oscar will not be the one to take down the Trolls. He does not have what it takes to do it, or does not want to, although he has the opportunity and is able to collect the evidence from multiple victims.
You, the victim, need to be showing this website with testimonials to other lawyers. One of them will be smart and willing to destroy them.

Oscar is making money from writing his letters at no stress. I don't believe Oscar wants these companies to disappear. He is making money on it just as they do. Sorry Oscar. The site was Matthew's idea. Matthew is the real fighter. Please, build the case Oscar and bring the companies down. Stop people suffering.

We don't want to see responses such as: "No, it cant be done, what they do is legal, its the way they do it is not right". Phishing, Extortion and targeting innocent people is not legal. Blackmail is not legal. Lying about licensing costs of the images is not legal. Company like Masterfile's entire business model is about phishing, extortion via blackmail and lies/fraud. This company needs to be stopped and their actors prosecuted before tens of thousands people become victimized in the next two years alone.

Mr. Oscar, I respect you and I challenge you, We challenge you. Stop these bastards! They can't do it in UK, they shouldn’t be allowed in USA.

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Re: Class Action Lawsuit Against Masterfile.
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2011, 12:26:40 PM »
Oscar is doing a great job! So, don't say so if you don't know what you are talking about. Research what the usual legal fees are. And take into consideration, that not every attorney will agree to help even for a usual legal fee. We have contacted several attorneys. Half of them never responded, the rest - refused to help due to cost efficiency reason. 

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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2011, 05:12:34 PM »
@Nemen Night -- Please keep your negative feelings about Oscar to yourself. He has dished out a lot of free information on this site and is obviously a valued contributor. It just takes a couple of jackass comments to make someone feel like they shouldn't even bother to participate. I am glad he is here and hope he continues to offer advice and opinions.

As much as everyone would LOVE to get back at the stock image companies, I just don't see how a class action suit would be successful.
Although I may be a super-genius, I am not a lawyer. So take my scribblings for what they are worth and get a real lawyer for real legal advice. But if you want media and design advice, please visit Motion City at http://motioncity.com.

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Re: Class Action Lawsuit Against Masterfile.
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2011, 03:31:24 AM »
Oscar and I are a team of our mutual choice since the very beginning. Neither one of us has forced the other to work together. We willingly work together as a team. We have discussed the issue in private and we both feel we are stronger and can serve a much greater good working together. As it happens, we have become friends along the way.

There are certain things I can do without the burden and responsibility of being an attorney.  There are certain things Oscar can do with the privilege and title as an attorney. Yes, I am a fighter but I am more effective and have more options with Oscar than without him.

Yes, Oscar collects money to support his time and the law firm that provides resources to back him up. But make no mistake, He makes far more money working for his traditional hourly rate than these little letters. He was fine before he got involved with ELI and he will be just fine whenever ELI goes away one day.

Oscar was volunteering his time way before the letter program was ever created. In fact, it was MY idea that he create it and charge an appropriate fee. And it has been a wonderful program that has helped hundreds of people at a very economical cost.

Bottom line, Oscar is the de-facto attorney in the U.S. regarding defending against extortion letters.

Matthew


Oscar will not be the one to take down the Trolls. He does not have what it takes to do it, or does not want to, although he has the opportunity and is able to collect the evidence from multiple victims.
You, the victim, need to be showing this website with testimonials to other lawyers. One of them will be smart and willing to destroy them.

Oscar is making money from writing his letters at no stress. I don't believe Oscar wants these companies to disappear. He is making money on it just as they do. Sorry Oscar. The site was Matthew's idea. Matthew is the real fighter. Please, build the case Oscar and bring the companies down. Stop people suffering.

I'm a non-lawyer but not legally ignorant either. Under the 1st Amendment, I have the right to post facts & opinions using rhetorical hyperbole, colloquialisms, metaphors, parody, snark, or epithets. Under Section 230 of CDA, I'm only responsible for posts I write, not what others write.

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Re: Class Action Lawsuit Against Masterfile.
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2011, 10:47:34 PM »
Oscar is a great man and I am very grateful to him that he is here. Oscar is also a laywer and not a weak girl who can easily get hurt. We are talking here about a very serious problem and a great damage inflicted upon the society and small businesses by greedy corporations, therefore the essence of the matter takes the priority.

Oscar is in possession of hundreds if not near a thousand of extortion letters that he has collected for the past several years and keeps collecting every day. These letters can serve as evidence of extortion for profit. He is/has represented hundreds of cases when the infringement was clearly innocent, but Masterfile and others continued to extorting 1000's for one image. He can take all of the clearly innocent infringement cases, compile them as a huge EXHIBIT A and show to the US courts that the laws in the United States should be amended to first require cease and desist notice and if the infringer refuses, apply penalties and other punitive measures. Otherwise many innocent single moms with blogs or mom and pop small businesses are unfairly tormented by this. In the UK and most of the civilized World, laws protect the innocent, but not in the USA. A change in the law, depending on how it is done might allow for a class lawsuit by those that paid 1000's and were innocent. All future victims would be protected as well.

For example:

This is in the UK:

The Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 (c. 48)
“97.—(1) Where in an action for infringement of copyright it is shown that at the time of the infringement the defendant did not know, and had no reason to believe, that copyright subsisted in the work to which the action relates, the plaintiff is not entitled to damages against him, but without prejudice to any other remedy.”

“It is an offence under Section 40 of the Administration of Justice Act 1970 and Section 1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1988 to harass of debtors with a view to obtaining payment including the issue of letters which convey a threat or false information with intent to cause distress or anxiety.”

UK Copyright Troll lawyers sanctioned:

"..We had noted that Davenport Lyons lawyers were being investigated by the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal for their actions, which has now concluded with the two lawyers being fined £20,000 each and barred from practicing law for three months. Part of the issue was that the tribunal determined that the lawyers knew they were targeting innocent people with the scheme."

Full article:
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110803/02192515373/uk-copyright-trolling-pioneers-sanctioned-actions.shtml

Because of this website and his involvement, Oscar is sitting on a big pile of evidence against the Copyright Trolls. Given a proper strategy, he can file a class action lawsuit for multiple causes including: extortion, blackmail, harassment, emotional distress, mail fraud, wire fraud etc..

But because it is easier to just collect $195 per letter and can be quite profitable if you have 1000 cases and more every month, he won't do it and will be telling everyone that what they do is legal and that he and nobody else can't do anything about that and that "the Copyright Trolls are here to stay". Not to mention that once in a while Oscar can make 1000's if bigger case goes to court. Oscar a defense lawyer on the side of infringers is profiting from the Copyright Troll abuse. It is well deserved but at some point Oscar should fire back and contribute to changing the laws in the USA instead of just sitting on this evidence and not doing anything but profiting from the abuse together with the Copyright Trolls and their lawyers.

Most if not all of the victims that are willing to share their correspondence and information do it through this website and many hire Oscar because of his advertising here and cheaper fee for a bulk response letter. They don't go anywhere else because of this website. The evidence collected should not just go wasted and should be used collectively to change the copyright laws in the USA to make them similar to UK and the rest of the civilized world. Oscar has the evidence. He needs to concentrate, make a good plan and strategy and fire back.

Oscar could easily write a letter to the Attorney General in New York telling them that he has all the evidence of extortion, blackmail, harassment etc.. available upon request, explain what is happening and recommend changes to the laws. Attorney General of New York would listen. Oscar could ask the AG to investigate Masterfile how they conduct their business. They would investigate them. Masterfile is the worst and will be the first one to go. Oscar, why don't you want to do that? Please help the people. Yes, you can! Yes, it is possible! Yes, it can be done! and Yes, the AG would most likely sanction Masterfile to limit their abuse. This would set the precedent to change the laws and protect innocent infringers in the USA.

In fact, this is what all the innocent infringers should do. Write to the AG all over the USA and ask to investigate Masterfile. Tell them all that you know and point to this website as reference. Instead of writing letters to the scumbags to negotiate, write to the Attorney General. Your time will be better used.

The last question is: Why is the name of this website "Extortion Letter"? Why Masterfile or Getty does not file a lawsuit against this website for libel, defamation and damage to their business? Why? This website hurts their profits, because people refuse to pay after getting educated. The Trolls are obviously afraid, because they know that they will not win. At least they don't want to take that risk. They know that it will be proven to them that with knowledge they are harassing and criminally extorting money from innocent victims. Extortion is a criminal offence. There is not such a thing as legalized extortion. There either is extortion or there isn't. If innocent people are suffering because of what they do, this practice must be outlawed in the USA as promptly as possible just as it is done in the UK and other countries.

I have a valid point. It is not a time to debate feelings. Oscar is a lawyer, not a weak girl whose feelings can be easily hurt. It is very important to concentrate on finding a solution to prevent these companies from praying on the innocent. Thousands of people would be grateful if Oscar himself sent few complaint letters to the Attorney General in NY asking them to investigate Masterfile (which is the easiest target due to their actions) and offered his evidence upon the government's request.

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Re: Class Action Lawsuit Against Masterfile.
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2011, 11:16:00 PM »
If I recall correctly, the UK doesn't require copyright registration, either. So basically they give up the ability to go after "innocent" infringers in return for not having to go through the hassle and cost of filing.

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Re: Class Action Lawsuit Against Masterfile.
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2011, 05:22:21 PM »
See my comment on Nemen Nights suggestion at the other part of the forum he posted on

 

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