Do I have to prove innocence? Interesting spot with Getty.

[Greg Troy (KeepFighting)]

In regards to the caseworker that has been assigned to you, I would not hide their name and I would make it public. It is most likely either Douglas Bieker or Nancy Monson as these two tend to show up quite a bit.

Just because they are a copyright compliance specialist does not mean that they are innocent in this. They know what they are doing is wrong as they are trying to extort money when they know their court cases don't hold up. The excuse I was just doing what I was told or I was just following orders does not apply as if you have half a conscience you could not force people to pay money they should not have to pay.

In my complaint letters that I filed with the Washington State Atty. Gen.'s office, the Ohio State Atty. Gen.'s office, the Better Business Bureau of Washington state, the Federal Trade Commission, my district congressman and senator I made an absolute point of naming Douglas Bieker who is my Getty copyright compliance specialist along with the company he works for for harassment and extortion practices. These people sit in their office and do this all day long knowing it's wrong and not worrying about the complaints filed because they know that the complaints go against the big company that they work for but when you start filing the complaints against them as well and these are all public record and their names are now associated with complaints of harassment and extortion that will follow them wherever they go I think you will start to see a large turnover in the Getty compliance department. I know I would never want complaints filed with all of these agencies against me but then again I could never do anything in good conscience that would warrant a complaint filed against me.

Of course you must decide what is best for you and your case but if you continue to read this forum you will see that what Getty is doing truly qualifies under the definition of extortion and as for me and my fight I am going to make it as personal as I possibly can and go after Getty Images As Well as my good Getty penpal Douglas Bieker.

[Nutinsider]

Hey Greg, thanks for the response, lol, yea, you nailed his/her name right on the head.

You know, this whole process with them does not really bother me, I have admitted no guilt and I have yet to pay them.  In fact they sent me one email that said "ok, how about 500?"

All I worry about, long term, is my credit health.  As is, my credit is glistening, and I would be sad if this got to collections and a mark was put on my credit.  I agree with the sentiment here that they will not sue, so I do not feel frightened about litigation, however I am interested in how the collections process goes...I have a theory, however.  PLEASE correct me if I am wrong (which I probably am, as I am not well versed in these things).

-6-12 months pass and I get a random contact from a collector asking if the debt is indeed a debt.

-I say, "no this is not a debt, I do not owe them money, this is a claim by them"

-collector says "fine" and returns to getty with my response.

-then getty decides whether to get a judgement on me, which is severely unlikely since it's one 500-800 dollar image.

Those are my thoughts, would love to hear yours.

[Greg Troy (KeepFighting)]

You should have absolutely nothing to worry about as far as your credit goes. If they send it to collection agency it will most likely be NCS and all you have to do is send them a letter stating this is a claim and not a debt, I am currently dealing with Getty do not ever contact me again. Here's a sample letter you can use the format of.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/100461757/NCS-Letter-Redacted

I included this letter along with my last letter I sent to my good Getty penpal Douglas Bieker basically thwarting his next step of sending this to NCS collections as I instructed him he must forward this letter to NCS if he sends my case to them

Hey Greg, thanks for the response, lol, yea, you nailed his/her name right on the head.

You know, this whole process with them does not really bother me, I have admitted no guilt and I have yet to pay them.  In fact they sent me one email that said "ok, how about 500?"

All I worry about, long term, is my credit health.  As is, my credit is glistening, and I would be sad if this got to collections and a mark was put on my credit.  I agree with the sentiment here that they will not sue, so I do not feel frightened about litigation, however I am interested in how the collections process goes...I have a theory, however.  PLEASE correct me if I am wrong (which I probably am, as I am not well versed in these things).

-6-12 months pass and I get a random contact from a collector asking if the debt is indeed a debt.

-I say, "no this is not a debt, I do not owe them money, this is a claim by them"

-collector says "fine" and returns to getty with my response.

-then getty decides whether to get a judgement on me, which is severely unlikely since it's one 500-800 dollar image.

Those are my thoughts, would love to hear yours.

[lucia]

Also, if they do send their demand to a collection agency, you must must write a letter or complaint to the attorney general.  Post a draft here so people can make sure that the fact that they have no right to use a collection agency to intimidate you into paying when there is no debt anywhere except in the mind of Getty.

[Greg Troy (KeepFighting)]

I would also send one to the AG in his state as well as the FTC for starters.

Also, if they do send their demand to a collection agency, you must must write a letter or complaint to the attorney general.  Post a draft here so people can make sure that the fact that they have no right to use a collection agency to intimidate you into paying when there is no debt anywhere except in the mind of Getty.

[Nutinsider]

Hey guys, just a quick update if anyone is interested.


I replied to getty with the following letter.  (this letter is in response to gettys inquiry regarding a letter from the IRS stating/proving greenshire is not in fact a real hedge fund).


I honestly felt that the burden of proof is on them, not I.

"Thanks for the response Mr. Bieker, if the case goes to court, I will prove my innocence by supplying documents from the SEC, FIRNA, as well as my personal tax records which will show that there is no hedge fund titled "greenshire capital."

I am sorry that Getty disagrees with me, but I have neither the time, nor inclination to spend my time faxing documents, speaking to representatives, and making numerous unnecessary phone calls to the SEC, FIRNA, and IRS, simply to prove my innocence in this matter.

Getty's claim that the site was used for "profit" purposes is false.


Thanks,
Craig"

[Robert Krausankas (BuddhaPi)]

So now when D. Bieker, replies yet again that you still owe them for"unauthorized use" you can simply state that you do in fact have permission to use the image..The permission comes from none other than the president /ceo of Getty Images Jonathan Klein...



Pay attention right around the 1 minute mark!

[mikejl46]

Very very interesting. This video needs to be backed up before they take it down.