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Re: Free Baitpapers
« Reply #90 on: May 25, 2012, 08:58:55 PM »
Greetings,
Copyright Services International no longer exists, I just happened to confirm this today by looking at business records for the state of Hawaii. I would not talk to them by email or telephone. You'll most likely get a letter from someone at some point, if you do you might want to share it with us, so we can pick it apart and give you some insight. You might consider reporting this to the State attorney General, being as CSI was closed down earlier this year.Glen Carner and VK Tylor are skating on this ice, now that they have a counter suit on their hands..Don't give into these trolls!
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Re: Free Baitpapers
« Reply #91 on: May 25, 2012, 11:16:04 PM »
Interestingly, their website is still active:

http://copyrightservicesinternational.com/contact.htm

What's with that?

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Re: Free Baitpapers
« Reply #92 on: May 26, 2012, 06:11:17 AM »
Seriously? One phone call and email? Not even a letter or postage stamp?

I am all for for being proactive and responsive but a phone call means very little in this situation.  What about the email?  Is this an "extortion email" or what?

You are "horrified" and "consumed with fear"? You are going to "hope" this goes away?  You said you read for 3 days?

Apparently, you still don't quite understand what's going on if you are that upset.  Might I suggest you change your attitude fast or get some help or you will get rolled over.

I am not trying to be insulting or condescending here but if you don't stop acting like a frozen deer staring into headlights, no one can help you.  "Hoping" isn't a strategy. If you need help, get the help or provide more meaningful information beside your emotional state.

There is no "collective" effort aside from this support community. There is no class-action lawsuit you can join in as people seem to keep asking.  Every recipient has the responsibility to handle their own issue in their own way. No one is going to jump in and do it for you.

You can either do the hard work to study and defend yourself or get some professional assistance. ELI provides a paid phone support service for cases and a paid defense letter program. Even with those options, there is some level of responsibility you will have to take on.

People in the past have come to the ELI Forums using it as an emotional-dumping platform as if they were seeking counseling. We have no problems with expressing anxiety, concern, anger, and all the various emotions that come with dealing with the situation. But don't come on these forums with an unempowered or helpless attitude and ZERO information to help your situation. We don't do emotional counseling here. We take meaningful action to fight back.  Or at the very least provide a good defense.

Unempowered emotional venting (crying, fear, paralysis, sleeplessness, etc.) engenders no sympathy from me. That shows lack of understanding or backbone. I won't let the ELI Forums become an emotional dumping area so that others can join in with the emotional upsets.  I nip it in the bud right away. It helps and serves no one else here but you. It hurts the overall community energy by allowing unempowered attitudes here.

The ELI Forums have always been about empowerment, knowledge, education, defending yourself, and fighting back. The unempowering and pure emotional stuff is not welcome anywhere on the ELI Forums. People who simply want to get into how the letters rule their lives and their emotional states can go post elsewhere on the Internet.

If you have a specific issue you want to talk or ask about, then state it. We will help and support you.  If you are simply lost despite all the reading you have done, just be honest. However, no one is going to type a term paper to help you because it is too much to ask.  You might have to be prepared to pay for help.


At this point I have only had phone and email contact with a woman connected with HAN and Copyright Services International. I noticed in a blog that said CSI is no longer in service. I know one of the emails I received had a CSI address. I would be interested in being part of a collective of people who are dealing with this issue. I am anticipating that I will be receiving an extortion letter soon. I was given a month to pay the "discounted" rate! When I first got the call I was horrified and have spend days not sleeping well and consumed with fear. I hope that I will not receive a letter and that this just goes away... Time will tell.  I hope this doesn't post twice.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2012, 06:19:48 AM by Matthew Chan »
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Re: Free Baitpapers
« Reply #93 on: May 26, 2012, 07:22:19 AM »
Copyright Services International is indeed an active business in the state of Hawaii, it appears they have hanged it to an LLC so Glen Carner can hide behind the corp

http://hbe.ehawaii.gov/documents/business.html?fileNumber=92213C5

http://hbe.ehawaii.gov/documents/trade.html?fileNumber=72605C5&certificate=4091906

The registrant was originally Hawaiian Art Network LLC, perhaps Mr Glen Carner did not want HAN to be sued or he did not want it to appear that the 2 were in fact tied together.

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Re: Free Baitpapers
« Reply #94 on: June 02, 2012, 03:27:47 PM »
Seriously? One phone call and email? Not even a letter or postage stamp?

Unempowered emotional venting (crying, fear, paralysis, sleeplessness, etc.) engenders no sympathy from me. That shows lack of understanding or backbone....
The ELI Forums have always been about empowerment, knowledge, education, defending yourself, and fighting back.

ELI is empowerment...Matthew you are bang on...thank you
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Re: Free Baitpapers
« Reply #95 on: June 02, 2012, 03:47:19 PM »
Seriously? One phone call and email? Not even a letter or postage stamp?

Unempowered emotional venting (crying, fear, paralysis, sleeplessness, etc.) engenders no sympathy from me. That shows lack of understanding or backbone....
The ELI Forums have always been about empowerment, knowledge, education, defending yourself, and fighting back.

ELI is empowerment...Matthew you are bang on...thank you

The idea behind the phone call / email is to not make it a fight but to attempt an amicable resolution before the issue of copyright is ever even mentioned.  I think you guys have become so entrenched in fighting back that you never considered that there may not need to be one in the first place.
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« Reply #96 on: June 02, 2012, 03:53:16 PM »
Seriously? One phone call and email? Not even a letter or postage stamp?

Unempowered emotional venting (crying, fear, paralysis, sleeplessness, etc.) engenders no sympathy from me. That shows lack of understanding or backbone....
The ELI Forums have always been about empowerment, knowledge, education, defending yourself, and fighting back.

ELI is empowerment...Matthew you are bang on...thank you

The idea behind the phone call / email is to not make it a fight but to attempt an amicable resolution before the issue of copyright is ever even mentioned.  I think you guys have become so entrenched in fighting back that you never considered that there may not need to be one in the first place.

An email/phone call would have been much better than the threat of criminal prosecution & up to 5 years in jail.
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Re: Free Baitpapers
« Reply #97 on: June 02, 2012, 03:53:48 PM »

The idea behind the phone call / email is to not make it a fight but to attempt an amicable resolution before the issue of copyright is ever even mentioned.  I think you guys have become so entrenched in fighting back that you never considered that there may not need to be one in the first place.

yeah, just call or email, get the credit card number, make some quick cash to pay the "collection specialist"...no muss no fuss, no fight.....Business as usual target the low hanging fruit some will always roll over and pay..some will not, and others will fight back...
« Last Edit: June 02, 2012, 07:31:52 PM by buddhapi »
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Re: Free Baitpapers
« Reply #98 on: June 02, 2012, 03:57:30 PM »

The idea behind the phone call / email is to not make it a fight but to attempt an amicable resolution before the issue of copyright is ever even mentioned.  I think you guys have become so entrenched in fighting back that you never considered that there may not need to be one in the first place.

I guess that's why you and your lawyer(s) treat people so lovingly when they call and try to explain what happened and ask for relief, like Extortion Victim No More, eh, Glen?

You guys just use that old telephone to make all these amicable resolutions, right?

LOL... again.

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Re: Free Baitpapers
« Reply #99 on: June 02, 2012, 03:57:46 PM »
An email/phone call would have been much better than the threat of criminal prosecution & up to 5 years in jail.

Rest assured if the phone call doesn't work, there would be an "escalation", don't think for a minute that Copyright Services International, would accept an answer of "I'm sorry I don't have any money, my business is slow, yada, yada, yada" or would they accept a refusal to pay, the "highly trained collection specialist" would just put it in the stack to forward to one of picscouts "retail lawyers"..
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« Reply #100 on: June 02, 2012, 06:15:25 PM »
Gee, don't you just hate it when people who fight back for no reason at all with no provocation? I hate it when that happens.

You might have missed the memo, but most people try to plead their case and it goes nowhere.  Hiring defense lawyers are too expensive which forced Oscar Michelen and I to create and design the Defense Letter program.

Payback, retaliation, personal attacks, reputational attacks, online complaints, speaking out, mind-sharing, forensic online investigations, and online fightback tactics all work well to varying degrees.  You can thank me for popularizing and spearheading those efforts.

You would never have come here so intent on listening to our side if I hadn't encouraged that philosophy over the years. You will just have to forgive us when we remain skeptical and stick to a winning formula of making change.

It used to be when I believed in an "eye for an eye". Since last year, thanks to Julie Stewart - FECAL (FEmale CAnadian Lawyer), one of your dumb collection lawyers in particular who didn't know when to stop, I graduated to "two for one" specials. That means every time she attacked ELI, we would hit back twice as hard. The reason why this was consciously done was she wouldn't back off.

Don't get me started with Peter Holt who argued with us about using the word "extortion".  Brandon Sand stupidly tried to muck around with our Scribd account like Julie did.  Your collections lawyers made me come up with even more aggressive tactics to implement and execute.

So please don't try to be a wise ass and try to paint a picture that ELI just became like we are overnight for no provoked reasons.  Everything we have done has been a reaction and response to something else.  The difference between then and now is many of us have become more seasoned, hardened, skeptical, and far less patient.

You complain about "shoot first and ask questions later"?  Gee, who started the whole "guilty until proven innocent" fiasco?

The idea behind the phone call / email is to not make it a fight but to attempt an amicable resolution before the issue of copyright is ever even mentioned.  I think you guys have become so entrenched in fighting back that you never considered that there may not need to be one in the first place.
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Re: Free Baitpapers
« Reply #101 on: June 02, 2012, 06:21:46 PM »
Brandon Sand, the idiot musician bully lawyer who went crazy on EVNL, got taken down by Oscar Michelen in particular. I heard that Brandon was practically begging and crying for Oscar to get his name off of the ELI website.

I bet EVNL thinks paying Oscar and reporting her letter to ELI was one of the best, most empowering thing she has ever done for herself.

Even though her case has long been "settled" (beaten down was more like it), EVNL is free as a bird enjoying payback of which I fully endorse and support.

I guess that's why you and your lawyer(s) treat people so lovingly when they call and try to explain what happened and ask for relief, like Extortion Victim No More, eh, Glen?

You guys just use that old telephone to make all these amicable resolutions, right?

LOL... again.
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Re: Free Baitpapers
« Reply #102 on: June 02, 2012, 06:47:54 PM »
The idea behind the phone call / email is to not make it a fight but to attempt an amicable resolution before the issue of copyright is ever even mentioned.  I think you guys have become so entrenched in fighting back that you never considered that there may not need to be one in the first place.
The difficulty is that a phone call of this sort results in asymmetry of power.  The person who answers the phone has absolutely no clue about the situation at all.  At least when I got my getty letter, as vague as it was on my infraction (no indication of uri, no link to actual image etc.), and as ridiculously extortionate the demand was ($875 for a tiny, blurry image deep in comment on a blog post with many, many comments), I had time to do a little research to figure out what they were talking about before responding.

Had I gotten a phone call, I wouldn't have had sufficient information to say anything other than, "I don't know what you are talking about. Could you elaborate?"

As a matter of principle, I don't believe in giving out any information to cold calls. Irrespective of the entire image trolling/enforcement/collection (pick your word) issue, if someone calls, I do not confirm my name. I do not confirm whether or not I own a particular domain name. I do not tell people my birth date and so on. 

Maybe other people do and maybe your motive is to get a mutually satisfactory resolution. But the fact is I would be unable to know what sort of resolution was satisfactory to me during a cold call from someone I had never heard of before.
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« Reply #103 on: June 02, 2012, 07:47:57 PM »
"You can thank me for popularizing and spearheading those efforts. "
Thanks Matthew!

"Since last year, thanks to Julie Stewart - FECAL (FEmale CAnadian Lawyer), one of your dumb collection lawyers in particular who didn't know when to stop,"
At least she finally "got it", personally I like the 2 for 1's so much sometimes I go the extra mile and add a 3rd..

"Don't get me started with Peter Holt who argued with us about using the word "extortion".  Brandon Sand stupidly tried to muck around with our Scribd account like Julie did."
You're making my eye twitch, which is never a good sign..

"So please don't try to be a wise ass and try to paint a picture that ELI just became like we are overnight for no provoked reasons.  Everything we have done has been a reaction and response to something else.  The difference between then and now is many of us have become more seasoned, hardened, skeptical, and far less patient."

and I'll add obsessed, addicted, and efficient!, I was actually kinda mello 3 yrs ago, the more I see of this garbage the more "peeved" I get (sorry peev), I no longer have a personal reason to be here, but you can bet your bottom dollar I will remain here and be a thorn in the trolls asses...Name and shame, I take no prisoners!

« Last Edit: June 02, 2012, 08:00:12 PM by buddhapi »
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« Reply #104 on: June 02, 2012, 07:55:59 PM »
Buddhapi, again with the drink out my nose getting on the laptop. I need to buy a keyboard cover if I'm gonna keep reading your posts.
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