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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Getty sends DCMA notice to google
« on: August 20, 2011, 10:43:25 PM »
To get the protection DMCA 512(c) you need to file with the copyright office first.  Being an ISP, Web-Farm or other provider is not going to protect you at all without that filing.  You must file the form before you get served to get the safe harbor of 512(c).  I host for some of my clients and friends and therefore, I am the provider of the web server.  So I filed on my company name, my web site .com name and up to ten additional names (my other companies, websites, Etc.).  It costs about $135.00 to do the initial name plus the extra ten names.  Filing as the host would have been good enough, but I wanted to list my other companies and some of the domain names to make it crystal clear that these names are covered.  But since I am the Agent of Record under the main company, it would come to that one company anyway.  This is how web-farms like GoDaddy and 1and1, Etc. can fle under just one name and they get the safe harbor for sites hosted on their web-farm.

The basic form can be found at the bottom of http://www.copyright.gov/onlinesp/

To see a list of the companies that have filed and a scanned image of their registrations with the copyright office, take a look at the agents listing:
http://www.copyright.gov/onlinesp/list/a_agents.html


DC

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Grass-Roots Action - Background and a plan
« on: August 19, 2011, 04:46:54 PM »
This was originally a link in a post on another website.  It was suggested that I put the entire content here and not as a link.  This is the original post with a few more URL notes added.  Jump in.

Note - I am in no way endorsing theft of images and I buy images.  What Getty Images and others are doing is on the edge of legal and may be made unprofitable with your help.  Educating the masses is critical.  Blocking servers is critical.  Class action lawsuits may be necessary.  Legal reform is needed to stop this abuse.

From the original post on http://www.webmasterworld.com/webmaster_business_issues/4353522.htm

Overview:
In my opinion, we all need to STOP Gretty Images abuses. We have clients that are getting hit with Getty Images demand letters for alleged copyright infringements and sme of the claims are $1,000.00 or more. Please read all of the information below, I researched the problem for days, have consulted two lawyers and a legal website dedicated to this. You need to protect yourself AND your users.

There are some important things that webmasters can do to protect themselves and their users from these demand letters using an exception (safe harbor) in the Digital Milennium Copyright Act (more on that below). We believe that artists should be paid, but we also believe that accidental use of licensed images should not bankrupt a small company or cause financial hardships. A letter telling you to take down the image or else is a reasonable first step, but that is not what getty is doing.

The data below lists the core things that you should know and implement to stop the Getty Images abuse and free up your bandwidth. The primary things to do are to protect your service with the proper filing (costs about $135.00)and to block the Getty Image Bots from stealing your bandwidth. We all need to be spreading the word to the world so that accidental usage will be cleaned up before Getty Images finds out. People need to be informed of the dangers of the Getty Image bots and all measures should be taken to shut down those bots.

Legal Overview:
Legal background - visit: [extortionletterinfo.com ] That is indeed this site.

About Getty Images:
In 2008, the publically traded (NYSE) Getty Images was taken private by private equity firm Hellman & Friedman for an estimated 2.4 Billion Dollars $USD. Getty owns iStockPhoto and has affiliations with Flicker. Getty also owns Jupiter Images (Web Media Brands, also ComStock, also PictureArts), Stock-Xchng, StockXpert, Digital Vision, WireImage, Stockbyte, Gallo Images, Touchline Photo, Isifa Image Service, and Redferns Music Picture Library.

The two biggest players are Microsoft’s Corbis and Getty Images / Hellman & Friedman.

The Hellman Friedman organization is private placement fund that acquires companies for its own portfolio in areas such as software, financial services, media and more. Holdings range from alarm monitoring, turn around management, images, insurance and more. You could describe them as a “conglomerate.”

About the Stock Photo Industry:
In general, the industry has Rights Managed (RM) and Royalty Free Images (RF). There are other variations of the theme, including completely free images. Rights Managed images offer a “rental” of the image for high-end purposes such as magazine covers, advertising and limited circulation publication. Royalty free images generally (but not always) allow the image to be used in publications that have circulations below 500,000 and do not appear in magazine covers, Etc. Some images have restricted rights (RR) such as preventing the image from being bundled in another image package.

Prohibited use would typically include the use of the image in a logo (that makes sense since you would not want to confuse people with logos that have the same backgrounds, images, Etc.). Other restrictions could exclude the use in #*$!ographic material or resale in another image package.

Why Stock Photos?:
Suppose you need a picture of a padlock and chain around a fence gate to show “security.” You could get in your car and drive around an industrial area and try to find that. It might take 15 minutes or it might take 8 hours, depending on where you are located. A stock image (RF) would typically be $1.00-$5.00 and some might be about $50.00. Not a bad deal considering the quality and the time savings. However, a similar image (perhaps lower quality in terms of artistic style or image resolution), that is RM could cost $500.00 – $20,000.00 depending on the intended use.

Most small businesses (I mean businesses that do less than $10,000,000 in revenue per year) would not use RM images, but would benefit from RF images. A good RF example would be a training course (live PowerPoint style or virtual Internet course) that used 100 images. That might cost $200.00 – $500.00 in total for the producer of that course and it would probably look great. But that same course would not likely use RM images that could total to $10,000.00 – $100,000.00. Even a simple small business website would not likely use an image that is RM based; it makes no sense with so many RF images that are similar, better or superior to the RM images.

Why RM images? "Exclusivity." Does a small business website compete with say IBM or Sony? No, not even close and there is no real comparison to make there, not even David Vs. Goliath, there is just no damage to IBM or Sony if that same image shows up by accident.

How does Getty TROLL for Images?:
Getty Images uses PicScout an Israeli based BOT search company that tunnels deep into websites to find pictures. In April of 2011, Getty acquired PicScout for an estimated $20 Million $USD, effectively barring competition from using the technology.

The PicScout scanner is not a well behaved bot because it scans areas that are off-limits and excluded from the Robots.txt file found on many sites.

Pic scout steals YOUR bandwidth and that of the hosing server ISP, without authorization or compensation to the owner and not as a visitor of the site for economic gain to the owner of that site space.

Blocking PicScout:
Many control panels allow users to block incoming IP addresses and ranges of addresses. For example you could block 188.165.244.48 which is somewhere in France. You could list just 188.165 and it would block every numbered IP address higher than that. Blocking 188.165.244. will block the range 188.165.244.1 - 188.165.244.255, Etc.

Some servers (Apache and Linux servers) have HTTACCESS files that can hold a string of these and thus block several Getty Image related bot approaches. There are articles on the web about how to do this for Getty Image related Bots.

http://williamfaulkner.co.uk/2007/09/picscout-getty-images-and-goodbye-istockphoto

http://danielwebb.us/software/bot-trap/

Also see: http://www.javascriptkit.com/howto/htaccess11.shtml

Can they get new IP addresses and use other sites to do this? Yes, but the diligent bot-traps, honey-pots and other methods out there will no-doubt continue to make this all current.


Community Action and your action to put up walls:
There is a LOUD growing swell of voices and action here that are sick of this abuse.

1. Setup your site with a Designated Agent registration to the US Copyright office as an Online Service Providers and list any of your domains or company names (up to ten). The cost is about $135.00 for the application plus the extended list. The form is available at This allows you to take down offending images and use the Digital Millennium Copyright Act exception (512-c is a possible safe harbor) for ISP’s. Note that if Getty has contacted you with a demand letter, this will not help unless it is on-record at the US Copyright Office before the Getty Letter arrives. You may be required to reveal the person that took the image, even if they are dead or have somehow disappeared (that happens).  See this article for more: [url=http://www.keytlaw.com/Copyrights/dmca.htm

2. Petition the Digital Millennium Copyright Act – They DO revise the act every three years (2003, 2006, 2009, 2011). See the Electronic Frontier Foundation and ask them about this issue.  Go to http://eff.org. We need a lawyer to help to draft a new piece of legislation that makes this kind of behavior a thing of the past. Let’s get in on the next revision and stop the madness.

3. Write to your ISP and any ISP that you can find or have time to write. Send a written letter with a postage stamp. The letter should include your concerns and the fact that these BOTS are stealing bandwidth, while also taking dollars from their very customers and without warning. Encourage them to provide an e-mail newsletter warning about image use and to encourage them to provide Bot-blocking options to users. Also explain that killing-off bot traffic will reduce their costs and improve reliability of running their servers. It is win-win-lose (win for the ISP, win for the subscriber, lose for the bots).

The top 23 provided by http://www.isp-planet.com/research/rankings/usa.html are:

RankNameUsers (Millions)
1 SBC (AT&T) (business and consumer DSL, U-Verse, and satellite—ISDN not disclosed)14.8
2 Comcast (cable broadband) 14.7
3 Road Runner (cable broadband, both business and residential) 8.6
4 Verizon (FiOS and DSL)8.5
5 America Online (all U.S. AOL brand accounts) 7.5
6 EarthLink (DSL, dialup, cable, satellite, PLC, and webhosting—some other business lines not included) 3.0
7 Charter (cable broadband) 2.9
8 Qwest (DSL only) 2.8
9 Cablevision (cable broadband) 2.4
10 United Online (counting paid access only) 1.5
11 Embarq (DSL only, formerly part of Sprint) 1.4
12 Windstream (DSL only, formerly ALLTEL and Valor).96
13 Mediacom (cable broadband, dialup, and SMB broadband) .73
14 CenturyTel (DSL only, no dialup) .63
15 Citizens (DSL only).57
16 Hughes Network Systems (satellite broadband).42
17 Insight Broadband (cable broadband) .42
18 Clearwire (fixed wireless broadband).42
19 LocalNet (dialup) .26
20 Cincinnati Bell (DSL only).23
21 SureWest (broadband) .10
22 GCI (cable broadband).10
23 ACS (DSL and dialup).055

4. Tell ALL of your clients and friends. Send out an article on this to your clients, friends and encourage them to pass this along. Give them links to legal image sites, even ones that charge a few dollars for RM images so that they can get themselves legal.

5. Write to the media. We often see Getty Images on the national news. Tell them that you are boycotting all of their advertiser’s products until they stop using Getty Images and any of the affiliates.

6. Post a list of advertisers that use Getty Images or support programs that cite Getty Images so that the world can see who is sponsoring this madness.

7. Talk to your media partners (TV, Magazines, and Newspapers) that you do business with and refuse to advertise in their media if they use any Getty or affiliated images.

8. Negotiate with suppliers and ask them if they use any Getty Images at their company and refuse to do the deal unless they stop.

9. Complain to your State Attorney General about the tactics and cite, unlicensed bandwidth usage, false names used as the artist (many of the names are the editors names and not the artist and this is FRAUD), a lack of copyright identification number to back the alleged violation and a need to join with other States to take the power of the combined Attorney General’s offices and stop this. Note that if Getty Images does not have a valid copyright filed (usually filed by the artist) before sending the letter, then they cannot sue for legal fees and it would be cost prohibitive for them to go to court without that filed copyright proof. Bulk filings (many images filed at once) are real filings, but they are weaker proof and the courts DO care about innocent mistakes. So getty Images sends the letters to DEMAND payment, even without the copyrigths filed because it is cheaper to pay $900+ dollars than it is to hire a lawyer. But we believe this is fraud and that the statements made are fraudulent.

10. Continue to police the bot traffic and identify new BOT traffic IP addresses that need to be blocked. This site should add code to the BOT blocking threads to deal with Getty Images. They are DOWNLOADING the images to do the compare, it is a THEFT of your bandwidth. This is a possibe class action suit and there are some cases about this (eBay comes to mind).

11. Write to Norton McAfee, AVS, Kaspersky and other companies about the need to add bot-blocking to ISP related scanning services so that the intrusion software used by ISP’s will stop the bot action AND provide more bandwidth (less abuse) to the ISP’s that use their software services.

12. Comb the Getty sites (all of the different names such as Getty Images, iStockPhoto, Etc.) for ANY logos, media, images or other works of art that show trade-marks or logos of any kind. A good example would be a Mercedes-Benz car hood ornament. That is a trade-mark of Mercedes-Benz. Copy the web page and link and then mail a letter to the president of the company and note: We are deeply concerned with the infringement on your good name by a profiteering company with poor ethics. The attached image and image link from the site noted is being sold for thousands of dollars and could damage your name and reputation. Please contact this violator and subpoena the names of all buyers so that you can get verification that the materials generated with your logo are destroyed. In addition, the innocent buyer of the image may need to be reimbursed for the recalled materials at the expense of the image profiteer. Etc. This should cost Getty $25,000 to $250,000 per image. Priceless! I found a dozen of these in one hour.

13. Contact the US Justice department and Federal Trade Comission and complain that Getty Images has privately attempted to corner the market and control the image industry. The logical conclusion is to break-up Getty Images to make the marketplace more competitive.

14. Send Getty a letter stating that you DO want their bot to crawl your site as long as it conforms to certain conditions such as not indexing image directories or crawling directories that are listed as exclude in the robots.txt file of the site. However, you wish to be paid $100.00 per non-compliant visit and you will be logging the activity. This is a legal “offer” to allow them to spider your site. Their spider, upon entering your site after the offer notice may constitute acceptance of the offer. Bill them and sue them for non-payment. Let’s get EVERYONE to send this letter so that they need to manually deal with this situation and hire tens of millions of dollars in labor to comply. Do not accept any web forms to opt-out, but make them do this all by hand and bill them until they comply, but sue them anyway for not complying.

15. Start an image management company to compete with Getty Images. Given the price levels of the Getty Image acquisitions, they are clearly making money at this. How about running the company where the artists are guaranteed 90-95% of the revenues. Remember, Getty does not own the images, the artists do and Getty is simply brokering the sale transaction and claiming to provide monitoring, policing, Etc. Artists can leave and the current class action suit against Getty Images shows distrust and a need to do better. So start a site that is really owned by the artists, perhaps through a cooperative like REI or a similar structure. You could even set it us as a not-for-profit 501-3-c Corporation to prove your integrity. Let the artists make the money. I am sure that 5-10% of BILLIONS of dollars is enough for any of you and the artists will flock to this model.

DoctorC

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Profile sniffers
« on: August 19, 2011, 02:16:11 PM »
You may have done this already, but if not, you should be working this concept into your htaccess files:

http://williamfaulkner.co.uk/2007/09/picscout-getty-images-and-goodbye-istockphoto/

http://danielwebb.us/software/bot-trap/



DoctorC

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Taking Grass-Roots Action to Where it Counts
« on: August 19, 2011, 02:04:24 PM »
I asked Getty to provide me with some information about the alleged copyright.  I have not heard back yet.

After reading the posts on this site, I decided to take some action, do some research and post my first "action" where it counts.  This is the #1 site for webmasters and they do care about the web-crawlers and their end-users:

http://www.webmasterworld.com/webmaster_business_issues/4353522.htm

We can take steps to mess with their web-bot crawlers and we can indeed encourage all ISP or server banks to take action to block the trolling and warn their customers because Getty is taking money from their customers and stealing bandwidth. 

After doing my research, I believe that there are TWO huge class action suits to put together here.  Easily over 1Billion Dollars per case.  One will hit Getty Images on the blind side.  Lawyers wanted...

I do believe that we should investigate the possibility of asking for a modification to the DMCA under the three year revision rule, perhaps requiring one month take-down period before allowing suit.

I hope that this site gets the traffic that it deserves and that you all look at the Community Action portion of the post and start digging into that list with action.  I am on it right now and will continue to provide names and addresses as time allows. 

I hope that this site takes protective action to block Getty (I know there are no images here, but just for fun and sport).  "It ain't done till Getty's on the run..."

DoctorC

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Seems they've lowered the demand amount
« on: August 03, 2011, 05:30:01 PM »
I have read the posts and I get the general concepts a bit better now.  I am well prepared for a collection letter or call. 

The image in question is the size of a postage stamp and of course it was removed quickly.  But they are trolling for people that know that a lawyer costs more than the settlement.  But I have not knowingly done anything intentionally wrong.  If they contact me I am taking the stance that I do not believe that they have a copyright on that image, but I will talk to them AFTER they provide me with evidence that they have copyrighs.  If they don't have copyrights, then they have nothing to gain from me and a trip to court would be 100% on them.  Not a good decision for anyone to make.  If they can prove that they have a valid copyright in their name, before their letter was written, I will settle to avoid a worst-case scenario.  Based on what is written on this site, I am guessing that they have no such copyright proof.

Thanks for your input.


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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Seems they've lowered the demand amount
« on: August 03, 2011, 10:15:58 AM »
I did get an email back that basically saif that thank you for taking the picture down, but you still owe us and we would like to offer you $825.00 to settle.  This is because of the artistic benefit, we need to pay the artist, Etc.

The image in question is part of a collection and the "author" is listed as a woman who's name I looked up and she was (a former) editor at Getty.  So this is her editor's collection and the artist is not named.  I wrote back that I am not willing to pay and that I believe that I have the right to certain discovery fact if this goes to court, such as the filing of the copyright, a list of all people that have purchased the photo, the amounts paid to the artist and more.

I read the first and second letter again and I believe that Getty Images may have shot themselves in the foot on attorney's fees.  They claim that the amount ($965.00 or $825.00 or whatever) is to cover the costs of handling this matter, compensation for past use, paying the artist Etc.  So they are basically locking themselves into $965.00 from their letter.  I can see how attorney's fees could be awarded on filed work, but thhey seem to have worded their own letter where the interpretation could be that the fee includes their cost to collect.  Just my argument of course and maybe not a great one, but we have some wordn here.

The image in question... I have no idea where it came from.  I host the site, the URL is registered to my company, and I inherited the site from a now bankrupt company.  I am an innocent player here and I DO license artwork for other sites and other purposes.  I find their tactics to be disturbing and it is hard to believe they are legal.

What about the DMCA - Digital Millennium Copyright Act?  I thought that it had provisions for people like me that are hosting a site to take down unlawful images if the potentially infringing content is taken down the website will not be held liable.  So why are they harassing me.  Can I sue them for violsatng the MMCA laws?

I did find several intellectual property rights violations on the Getty Images sites.  I am saving that stuff just in case because the cost of Getty notifying all buyers of those images and the damages from the purchasing party needing to redo advertising, leterhead, marketing materials, Etc. would be huge.

I think that the advertising Banners for Getty Images (on Google cost them about $1.00 per click).  So please click often and tell your friends to do the same.
http://www.google.com/aclk?sa=l&ai=Ciw9yP1A5TqHvHcXatwfd1ISJCLq2zusBmtDU4h2FrqeVCBAFKAhQ9puLLmDJnomJiKSEEKAB8p6h-gPIAQGqBBlP0MzoRLzxylrGABx-g90Gr-S7Fc7jrlsg&num=8&sig=AOD64_2hhg_5S0huDXVkr8L6bIaTI20foQ&ved=0CAgQ0Qw&adurl=http://www.gettyimages.com/CreativeImages/RightsManaged%3Fesource%3DgoogUSA_Images%26language%3Den-us%26kw%3DUSA%2Brights_managed_photos%2Bexact%26lid%3D46227738%26pcrid%3D7900916802%26property%3DGI

Perhaps a few million clicks will make them happy?




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Getty Images Letter Forum / Just got my letter - I'm a fighter
« on: July 25, 2011, 08:00:37 PM »
I just got my letter.  Thank you for the site.  I host about 15 websites and they only cost me about $10.00 per year (not mentioning any names)...  All comments below are made in my opinion. So, in my opinion...

We have a site that we maintain that was done for a certain industry as a reference site.  It is not income producing, it is strictly community service for a certain industry.  The intern that did this site 15 years ago used an image that Getty claims is theirs.  The website has banner advertisements that are free to the advertisers because they host the site and do some of the maintenance.  There are is no income and no expense.  They want $965.00 for the past.  We took down the image immediately.  I tried to contact Getty by phone but the message said to leave a message and so I e-mailed them my response and case number that basically covers what I wrote above.

Let me see if I get this right.  They would need to sue me here on the East Coast of the USA and hire an attorney.  Even if they won for exactly $965.00, then they would have legal costs of several times that.  Makes no sense.   The website was started for a  friend to drive traffic to his company (banner advertising), but that company is now bankrupt.  It is sort of funny... Hey Getty, the originator of this was a college intern that downloaded the image from somewhere for a company that is now bankrupt."

I will of course cover this with their $15.00/hour intern.  They will of course try to collect in letter 2.  I will of course say go sue the original site creator who is now bankrupt.  They will attack me since I now run the site (for free) and I will request documentation for EVERY sale that they had from 15 years ago and ask for proof of the copyright and payment to the original owner of the image.  And we'll see how much money they want to spend coming after this.

What a waste of time on a site that is a community resource and has no revenues at all.  INSANE!

Part of what we do here is websites and some of them are "revenge" websites like this one.  The key is to keep it to the fact to prevent defamation or commercial defamation.  So sticking to the fact and using words like "in my opinion" are important.  I strongly recommend that members here should BLANKET e-mail on a daily and repeated basis every news agency that shows Getty Images.  Same goes for any talk show or local news show.  SLAM them with e-mails daily.  Complain loudly that Getty is "in your opinion -- out of control, Etc."

I respect intellectual property rights.  I use intellectual property, I sell intellectual property and I license images from istockphoto and photolia at about $1.00 - $5.00 per image.  I always and only buy royalty free images.  This one image was no my doing, I am just the owner of the URL, a community service site with no revenues.

I will report back as this goes a bit further.

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