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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Big Change at Getty -- Free Use
« on: March 07, 2014, 07:58:14 AM »
As a matter of technical capability, the embed tool will permit Getty Images to simply yank the image or replace it if they diagnose the use commercial. Possibly that's what they will do- and then suggest someone who is using them commercially (or however Getty thinks commercial is defined) pay for them.  Given the history, communications might be very heavy handed with threats about taking someone to court for violations of TOS. We'll see.

The main reason I won't be using these images is that I was never a big user or any stock images.  I only got at cross purposes when I hot-linked a picture of a cardinal because one of my European readers wanted to know what they looked like!!

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Ok... The TOS which few users will read and possibly even fewer will understand. But this is the bit on links and the embed tool. 

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Links

You may not use a Getty Images logo or other proprietary graphic of Getty Images to link to the Site without the express written permission of Getty Images. Further, you may not frame any Getty Images trademark, logo or other proprietary information, including the Getty Images Content, without Getty Images' express written consent.
Note: with respect to copyright, framing Getty Images Content would presumably be a TOS issue. They can't create or inflate rights copyright laws through TOS.   Also, presumably, the Getty Images supplied embed tool constitutes Getty's consent.

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Getty Images makes no claim or representation regarding, and accepts no responsibility for, directly or indirectly, the quality, content, nature or reliability of third-party websites accessible by hyperlink from the Site, or websites linking to the Site. Such sites are not under the control of Getty Images and Getty Images is not responsible for the contents of any linked site or any link contained in a linked site, or any review, changes or updates to such sites. Getty Images provides these links to you only as a convenience, and the inclusion of any link does not imply affiliation, endorsement or adoption by Getty Images of any site or any information contained therein. When you leave the Site, you should be aware that our terms and policies no longer govern. You should review the applicable terms and policies, including privacy and data gathering practices, of any site to which you navigate from the Site.

Your participation, correspondence or business dealings with any third party found on or through the Site, regarding the payment and delivery of related goods or services, and any other terms, conditions, warranties or representations associated with such dealings, are solely between you and such third party. You agree that Getty Images shall not be responsible or liable for any loss, damage or other matters of any sort incurred as the result of any such dealings.
I think the above is just Getty saying the fact they link doesn't mean they endorse it.


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Embedded Viewer
Where enabled, you may embed Getty Images Content on a website, blog or social media platform using the embedded viewer (the “Embedded Viewer”). Not all Getty Images Content will be available for embedded use, and availability may change without notice. Getty Images reserves the right in its sole discretion to remove Getty Images Content from the Embedded Viewer. Upon request, you agree to take prompt action to stop using the Embedded Viewer and/or Getty Images Content. You may only use embedded Getty Images Content for editorial purposes (meaning relating to events that are newsworthy or of public interest). Embedded Getty Images Content may not be used: (a) for any commercial purpose (for example, in advertising, promotions or merchandising) or to suggest endorsement or sponsorship; (b) in violation of any stated restriction; (c) in a defamatory, pornographic or otherwise unlawful manner; or (d) outside of the context of the Embedded Viewer.
This limits use of the 'embed tool feature-- but I think any violation would be a TOS violation-- not copyright. TOS violations can matter-- but they are different from copyright violations.

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Getty Images (or third parties acting on its behalf) may collect data related to use of the Embedded Viewer and embedded Getty Images Content, and reserves the right to place advertisements in the Embedded Viewer or otherwise monetize its use without any compensation to you.

The ads aren't there yet, but I suspect they likely will be. Also: if your site has a privacy policy, and you embed you will want to update that policy. 

At least potentially, this seems totally legit to me. Some bloggers will want to embed images, now they can get good ones-- including some of celebrities and so on. And some will be happy to permit advertising in the images.  This doesn't mean Getty will necessarily stop pursuing people who still fall prey to 'free' images through google search, but it could open a revenue stream for Getty Images. If it does: more power to them.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Big Change at Getty -- Free Use
« on: March 06, 2014, 03:30:38 PM »
I totally agree with you guys.  Getty is going to draw far more stringent lines with this program than many believe.

Infringement claims will likely go up.  I wonder if this new direction is part of why Timmy is trying to clean up his image.
I'm not sure whether infringement claims will go up. These are hotlinked. But they may have "Terms of Service" claims, which is a different thing.

business week probably has the most balanced intro:
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-03-06/since-it-cant-sue-us-all-getty-images-embraces-embedded-photos

It starts
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Since It Can't Sue Us All, Getty Images Embraces Embedded Photos
By Joshua Brustein March 06, 2014

For the past decade or so, the best defense Getty Images could find against the right-click button on your mouse—home of the “copy” and “save” functions—has been a team of scary lawyers. By copying one of its images and using it on your blog, you’re entering a random drawing where the prize is a terrifying letter offering a tutorial in copyright litigation.


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I was curious. I grabbed the "embedd" code. That permitted me to embed the image along with the credit. Fair enough. Some people will think this is great -- in fact, they will be thrilled to include the photo credit with the image.

That said, I was able to "view" the image alone. Then I was also able to take the uri of the underlying image and hotlink that image without the surrounding embedding.   So at least for now it appears that anyone who wants can hotlink the image without the surrounding code. (Not sure why many would want to do so-- but it appears possible.) 

Now, Getty would easily find these hotlinked images-- but if they don't deactivate them, so what?  Or maybe they will deactivate them? You seem to need a query string to display the image. 

It's possible the whole point of this will be to be able to determine who made the copy.... or something. Beats me. But for now, what they are doing seems legitimate enough from the user side. They are permitting hotlinking and at a minimum strongly encouraging getting themselves a photo credit when someone hotlinks.  Nothing wrong with that.

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I got a letter from NCS IP SOLUTIONS, LLC in Sarasota, Florida with the subject line: This is an offer of settlement and it also has threatening language that if I failed to pay they will initiate court proceedings.
They are putting that in the subject line because their main business is as a collection agency. If they contacted you in their capacity of collection agency you could just tell them to stop calling you because there is no debt to collect.

Do you live in Canada? If so Getty would most likely be required to file in Canada. (McCormack is pumping up a ruling that he thinks can give Getty the right to sue in Washington State if you don't take down. But if you've already taken down, that ruling won't let them bring the case to Washington State. So you don't need to worry about that.)

Also, if you live in Canada the relevant law would be Canadian. I'm not sure what that is-- but it will be different. So you would have to discover that.  One thing you want to do is look up whether Canada has any sort of "innoncent infringer" or "non-willful" infringement law and see how that might apply to the facts of your case.   But you can almost certainly discount any threats based on American law because you are in Canada.

One thing: Do not disclose an facts that might negatively impact your case. That is: if you don't know something, don't admit it to getty.  In your head practice stuff like 'I don't admit any fault. But I'm willing to negotiate what we can do to put this dispute behind us.  In that regard..... blah, blah".

Avoid any discussions on the phone. If NCS calls you, tell them to send you information in writing. (In this case, you might need to write back.) In fact: I might make the habit of screening all calls so you know if it's NCS before you pick up. Lots of people do this sort of thing anyway.  The fact is: you are not practices at knowing what you want to say and it's possible for someone with practice to get you confused and flustered on the phone. So: no phone.

Good luck!

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Of course some of those are totally valid, and some are not valid.  That's just the number filed!

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That's a good idea. It would make the letters visible. (That said, I had more success searching yesterday than today. I may need to master their search tool.)

Visibility should be useful for everyone. Those parties whose takedowns are reasonable should welcome it. Those who receive unreasonable ones should welcome it. And third parties should welcome knowing how often these sorts of things are filed.  There is very little downside.

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My hosting service was recently sent a DMCA take down notice for my blog. I won't go into the details here, but while formulating responses, I discovered a useful new tool for responding to take down notices or cease and desist letters.  That is: Submit them to Chilling Effects so that the existence of these letters enters a public record. Specifically: the information will become available in a searchable database so others could search for similar letters.  You can also enter your responses to the letters.

This is what you do when you receive a DMCA takedown, or Cease and Desist letter.

1) Collect together your information so it is handy.
2) If you received a C&D or DMCA letter visit: http://www.chillingeffects.org/input.cgi
3) Read the categories, select the appropriate one and click. In this instance, my hosting company (Dreamhost) had been sent a DMCA takedown notice.  I chose
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" I was told that my ISP had recevied a "DMCA takedown notice."
and clicked " submit C&D in topic DMCA Safe Harbor" which sent me to http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/submit.cgi?TriggerID=15  One should click whatever is appropriate in their case. (For example, if you received a Demand letter from Getty, pick "submit C&D in topic Copyright" 
4) A form appeared.  I entered details about the person who claimed copyright and made a demand under "Information about the Sender of the C&D Notice: "  (For you this could be Getty Images, or BWP or such like.)   Even though the notice was sent to my ISP (i.e. web host) I entered details about myself under Information about the Recipient of the C&D Notice:  After all, I am the one being asked to desist.  In C&D Notice Body , I entered the text of the letter the person claiming copyright sent my ISP.  (BTW: I asked them to send me the letter she wrote and the attachments. They initially sent me their form letter telling me she had sent them a letter and instructing me with how I am to complay and my rights under the act. So you may need to ask them to send you the appropriate letter, and all attachments.)
5) I clicked to "submit".  When this was done, a second form appeared asking me to provide additional informaiton I might have. I did so and clicked. Prior to clicking, I also read that entire 2nd page.  I noted that I had been assigned an "ID number" which was, in my case NoticeID 1532105.  I also noticed that that page suggested I could submit attachments by sending email to "[email protected]" using the subject line 'NoticeID xxxxxx'. (One would use the ID number that is appropriate for their submission. 
6) After clicking, the page told me "Thank you for submitting your cease and desist notice to the Chilling Effects database. It has been given NoticeID 1532105. Please refer to this identifier in follow-up communication, for more rapid identification. Your notice is now in the submission queue. It will be made visible to the public after it is approved and verified by an administrator. "  I noted the number for future reference. 

I'm now waiting for my notice to go live! 

When the time comes, I will also submit the response I sent to the DMCA and I plan to blog as Chilling Effects encourages that.  I don't know how much back and forth they permit one to enter.  But if a lot is permitted, it might be useful for people to scan their Getty Images letters, enter at Chilling Effects and also enter response to Getty, and if possible enter any follow on correspondence. Because the database is searchable, and the entries can be linked and displayed, this could potentially be a very useful tool to help the public better understand what is going on with these letters.

#chilling effects, #DMCA takedown. 


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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Received a Complaint from BWP Media USA
« on: February 20, 2014, 07:40:04 PM »
Oh-- I think I mistateda  above. The other defense could be no proper DMCA takedown was sent.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Received a Complaint from BWP Media USA
« on: February 20, 2014, 03:09:31 PM »
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I am curious to know how they define "providing tools and instruction for infringement via their website."  I can't help but wonder if BWP sees hotlinking itself as the tool for infringement.

I'm curious too!

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It looks like Ain't It Cool actually has refused to remove the images, which is pretty foolish of them.

Yes. Although if it's not infringement and their business model relies on displaying these, they may need to push back.   But anyway: This ain't hotlinking.  aintitcool.com IS hosting the image

http://media.aintitcool.com/media/uploads/2013/champ5.jpeg

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Do you know anything about tools like that?  Have they ever been found to be a means that facilitates infringement?

No I don't know what tool a site that hotlinked an image might provide a user to "facilitate" that third parties infringement.  Encouraging language might do it. But... a tool that facilitates? I can't think of one off hand.

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I guess BWP would have to do some hard work of their own.

Yes. But they would always need to do the work to present relevant facts.   
In the end, this is a simple not-hotlinking case. Likely BWP put the "if" language in there merely to preserve that in case some image or another was hotlinked. Or maybe there is a mix of hot-linked and not-hotlinked images. 

Obviously these guys aren't a model case because it looks like they have done, and continue to do, some things wrong.

Yes. They look like a business whose business model is to host images, and who does not take down when the receive complaints.  The images are not parodies. The images aren't transformed. They are just copied. Their only valid defense looks like claiming the image is not copyrighted.   

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Received a Complaint from BWP Media USA
« on: February 20, 2014, 09:47:46 AM »
Hmm.... It's more complicated than that. I'm going to put general stuff up, and then way too much  information after.  Note: I am not a lawyer.

In some places, citing Perfect 10 is fine. For example: distinguishing between a 'transitory transmission' and something fixed. So, the earlier ones are saying nothing more than "the made a web page" and that's "static enough".   But the place where Perfect 10 would seem to be a really stupid thing for BWP to cite is here:

In the event that the Photograph(s) were hyperlinked into the Website(s), and
thereby not stored directly on the Defendant(s) servers, Defendant(s) are liable as contributory
infringers
since they had actual and/or constructive knowledge of another's infringing conduct
and induced, caused and/or materially contributed to that conduct.
(See e.g., Perfect 10, Inc. v.
Amazon.com, Inc., 508 F.3d. 1146, 1171 [9th Cir. 2007]; Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. v.
Grokster, Ltd., 545 U.S. 913, 929-30 [2005]; A&M Records, Inc. v. Napster, Inc. 239 F.3d 1004,
1019 [9th Cir. 2001]; Sony Corp. v. Universal City Studios, Inc., 464 U.S. 417 [1984]).


Perfect 10 v. Amazon does block the possibility of hyperlink being direct infringement.

Note that BWP doesn't seem to be trying to get them for direct infringement, but rather contributory infringement.  This is more complicated.  To me, the key problem with BWP is they don't have any theory about how the contributory infringement occurred. That is: they need to suggest some mechanism whereby the people hosting the site induced a site visitor to copy the images and the need to show quite a bit more.

But this claim by BWP is important:

For example, Defendant(s) have caused enabled, facilitated and materially
contributed to the infringement complained of herein by, providing the tools and instruction for
infringement via their Website(s)
and have directly and indirectly promoted the infringement and
Case 1:14-cv-00147-LY Document 1 Filed 02/18/14 Page 5 of 8
refused to exercise their ability to stop the infringement made possible by their distribution


That is: BWP seems to be claiming that in addition to hyperlinking "Ain t It Cool, Inc. and Mr. Harry Jay Know" is providing tools to encourage 3rd party visitors to copy images.  Note that Google does not provide these sorts of tools and if you read Perfect 10 this fact would matter.   I'll quote enough to drill down and you can see what things don't cause contributory infringement (under Perfect 10) and what might.


The issue of contributory infringement is discussed ad naseum in the section "Secondary Liability for Copyright Infringement" of Perfect 10.  Lets look at some of what the 9th wrote:

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[17] We now turn to the district court’s ruling that Google
is unlikely to be secondarily liable for its in-line linking to
infringing full-size images under the doctrines of contributory
and vicarious infringement.10 The district court ruled that Perfect
10 did not have a likelihood of proving success on the
merits of either its contributory infringement or vicarious
infringement claims with respect to the full-size images. See
Perfect 10, 416 F. Supp. 2d at 856, 858. In reviewing the district
court’s conclusions, we are guided by the Supreme
Court’s recent interpretation of secondary liability, namely:
  • ne infringes contributorily by intentionally inducing or

encouraging direct infringement, and infringes vicariously by
profiting from direct infringement while declining to exercise
a right to stop or limit it.” Grokster, 545 U.S. at 930 (internal
citations omitted).
That is: the contributory infringement could arise from hyperlinking if the fact of these hyperlinks induced someone other than Google using Google search to find the image and download the image and store it on their computer.   

Continuuing.
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Direct Infringement by Third Parties. As a threshold matter, before we examine Perfect 10’s claims that Google is secondarily liable, Perfect 10 must establish that there has been direct infringement by third parties. See Napster, 239 F.3d at 1013 n.2 (“Secondary liability for copyright infringement
does not exist in the absence of direct infringement by a third party.”

Note however, for Google to be guilty of this sort of 2ndary infringement, one would have to show that someone visited google, and owing to that visit, that third  party copied the image in a way that constituted a copyright violation-- and that in some way this was caused by Google.   

Perfect 10 alleged that happened. The courts observes.

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Perfect 10 alleges that third parties directly infringed its images in three ways.

So... we now look at the 3 ways: Two of these will mostly go away. But one will remain-- and it matters in this BWP case.

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First, Perfect 10 claims that third-party
websites directly infringed its copyright by reproducing, displaying,
and distributing unauthorized copies of Perfect 10’s
images. Google does not dispute this claim on appeal.

First, Perfect 10 claims that third-party
websites directly infringed its copyright by reproducing, displaying,
and distributing unauthorized copies of Perfect 10’s
images. Google does not dispute this claim on appeal.
Spoiler: This is the one that does not go away.

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[18] Second, Perfect 10 claims that individual users of
Google’s search engine directly infringed Perfect 10’s copyrights
by storing full-size infringing images on their computers.
We agree with the district court’s conclusion that Perfect
10 failed to provide sufficient evidence to support this claim.
See Perfect 10, 416 F. Supp. 2d at 852. There is no evidence
in the record directly establishing that users of Google’s
search engine have stored infringing images on their computers,
and the district court did not err in declining to infer the
existence of such evidence.

This one goes away for lack of evidence-- not because it can never happen.

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[19] Finally, Perfect 10 contends that users who link to
infringing websites automatically make “cache” copies of
full-size images and thereby directly infringe Perfect 10’s
reproduction right. The district court rejected this argument,
holding that any such reproduction was likely a “fair use.” Id.
at 852 n.17. The district court reasoned that “[l]ocal caching
by the browsers of individual users is noncommercial, transformative,
and no more than necessary to achieve the objectives
of decreasing network latency and minimizing
unnecessary bandwidth usage (essential to the nternet). It
has a minimal impact on the potential market for the original
work . . . .” Id. We agree; even assuming such automatic
copying could constitute direct infringement, it is a fair use in
this context.
The copying function performed automatically
by a user’s computer to assist in accessing the Internet is a
transformative use. Moreover, as noted by the district court
a cache copies no more than is necessary to assist the user in
Internet use. It is designed to enhance an individual’s computer
use, not to supersede the copyright holders’ exploitation
of their works. Such automatic background copying has no
more than a minimal effect on Perfect 10’s rights, but a considerable
public benefit. Because the four fair use factors
weigh in favor of concluding that cache copying constitutes
a fair use, Google has established a likelihood of success on
this issue. Accordingly, Perfect 10 has not carried its burden
of showing that users’ cache copies of Perfect 10’s full-size
images constitute direct infringement.
Therefore, we must assess Perfect 10’s arguments that
Google is secondarily liable in light of the direct infringement
that is undisputed by the parties: third-party websites’ reproducing,
displaying, and distributing unauthorized copies of
Perfect 10’s images on the Internet. Id. at 852.
Note the third way "goes away". It is not copyright infringement under Perfect 10. 

So: Perfect 10's claims of copying in three ways has been whittled down to 1 way (which will be addressed).  But this is where someone has to be careful. Google is free and clear on way 2 not because it's "impossible" but because there is no evidence any 3rd party downloaded the image and stored it on their computer in a way that infringes, and the judges were not going to 'infer' that anyone did store it in that way.  Possibly, if Perfect 10 had found people who'd downloaded and stored and brought them to court, Google would have been guilty of "contributory infringement". The things is: Perfect 10 has to show evidence of this. (And in that case, they have to get evidence those people infringed-- which might be even more difficulty.)

So, now we move onto the claim that Google's hotlinking induced infringement because people who ran websites found images on google search copied them and displayed those on their web sites.  Google doesn't dispute people do this.

On to more quoting
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In order for Perfect 10 to show it will likely succeed in its
contributory liability claim against Google, it must establish
that Google’s activities meet the definition of contributory liability
recently enunciated in Grokster. Within the general rule
that “
  • ne infringes contributorily by intentionally inducing

or encouraging direct infringement,” Grokster, 545 U.S. at
930, the Court has defined two categories of contributory liability:
“Liability under our jurisprudence may be predicated
on actively encouraging (or inducing) infringement through
specific acts (as the Court’s opinion develops) or on distributing
a product distributees use to infringe copyrights, if the
product is not capable of ‘substantial’ or ‘commercially significant’
noninfringing uses.” Id. at 942 (Ginsburg, J., concurring)
(quoting Sony, 464 U.S. at 442); see also id. at 936-37.

So there are two categories of contributing infringement. The court has to see if Google is guilty of either one. The look at the 2nd category first:

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Looking at the second category of liability identified by the
Supreme Court (distributing products), Google relies on Sony,
464 U.S. at 442, to argue that it cannot be held liable for con-tributory infringement because liability does not arise from the mere sale of a product (even with knowledge that consumers
would use the product to infringe) if the product is capable
of substantial non-infringing use.
Google argues that its
search engine service is such a product. Assuming the principle
enunciated in Sony is applicable to the operation of
Google’s search engine, then Google cannot be held liable for
contributory infringement solely because the design of its
search engine facilitates such infringement. Grokster, 545
U.S. at 931-32 (discussing Sony, 464 U.S. 417). Nor can
Google be held liable solely because it did not develop technology
that would enable its search engine to automatically
avoid infringing images. See id. at 939 n.12. However, Perfect
10 has not based its claim of infringement on the design of
Google’s search engine and the Sony rule does not immunize
Google from other sources of contributory liability. See id. at
933-34.

So here: Google argues that Perfect 10 can't get the on category 2 because it's search engine has legitimate uses other than permitting people to infringe copyright.  (This is true. It's search engine's primary use is search.)  But the court notes that we need to move on to the question of category 1.

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[20] We must next consider whether Google could be held
liable under the first category of contributory liability identified
by the Supreme Court, that is, the liability that may be
imposed for intentionally encouraging infringement through
specific acts.
11 Grokster tells us that contribution to infringement
must be intentional for liability to arise. Grokster, 545
U.S. at 930. However, Grokster also directs us to analyze contributory
liability in light of “rules of fault-based liability
derived from the common law,” id. at 934-35, and common
law principles establish that intent may be imputed. “Tort law
ordinarily imputes to an actor the intention to cause the natural
and probable consequences of his conduct.” DeVoto v.
Pac. Fid. Life Ins. Co., 618 F.2d 1340, 1347 (9th Cir. 1980);RESTATEMENT (SECOND) OF TORTS § 8A cmt. b (1965) (“If the
actor knows that the consequences are certain, or substantially
certain, to result from his act, and still goes ahead, he is
treated by the law as if he had in fact desired to produce the
result.”). When the Supreme Court imported patent law’s
“staple article of commerce doctrine” into the copyright context,
it also adopted these principles of imputed intent.
Grokster, 545 U.S. at 932 (“The [staple article of commerce]
doctrine was devised to identify instances in which it may be
presumed from distribution of an article in commerce that the
distributor intended the article to be used to infringe another’s
patent, and so may justly be held liable for that infringement.”).
Therefore, under Grokster, an actor may be contributorily
liable for intentionally encouraging direct infringement
if the actor knowingly takes steps that are substantially certain
to result in such direct infringement.

What this is saying is if Google did something specific to encourage people who used its web site to download, Google could be pretty sure that people would violate copyright as a result of their showing the images, then they might be liable .  (For example, suppose the Google web site read "Please download this material and store it on your computer!!" or "Free Porn Images!" then that might be something specific google could do that would result in a ruling of indirect infringement.)

Now, I'll skip a bunch of examples the court discusses (Napster etc.)  Getting back to what Google did.
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Here, the district court held that even assuming Google had
actual knowledge of infringing material available on its system,
Google did not materially contribute to infringing conduct
because it did not undertake any substantial promotional
or advertising efforts to encourage visits to infringing websites,
nor provide a significant revenue stream to the infringing
websites. Perfect 10, 416 F. Supp. 2d at 854-56.
This
analysis is erroneous
. There is no dispute that Google substantially
assists websites to distribute their infringing copies to a ...

Note: the "This analysis is erroneous" looks bad for google so far....
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worldwide market and assists a worldwide audience of users
to access infringing materials. We cannot discount the effect
of such a service on copyright owners, even though Google’s
assistance is available to all websites, not just infringing ones.
Applying our test, Google could be held contributorily liable
if it had knowledge that infringing Perfect 10 images were
available using its search engine, could take simple measures
to prevent further damage to Perfect 10’s copyrighted works,
and failed to take such steps.

So: Google could be held liable for visitors finding Perfect 10 images through the hyperlinks and downloading the hyperlinked images if
1) Google knew visitors did this (which I suspect google strongly suspects  they do.)
2)  It was in Googles power to prevent these visitors from making copies and
3) Google did not take these steps.


2&3 become important questions: Are there easy ways for Google to prevent anyone from copying images and if yes, did Google undertake these steps? What's the circuit court say about this:

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[23] The district court did not resolve the factual disputes
over the adequacy of Perfect 10’s notices to Google and
Google’s responses to these notices. Moreover, there are factual
disputes over whether there are reasonable and feasible
means for Google to refrain from providing access to infringing
images. Therefore, we must remand this claim to the district
court
for further consideration whether Perfect 10 would
likely succeed in establishing that Google was contributorily
liable for in-line linking to full-size infringing images under
the test enunciated today.13

What they circuit court says is: We don't know anything about the facts related to 1-3 above.  It's not our place to decide that directly-- that would be decided by the district court first. They didn't even look at it. So, we are sending this back to the district court, where Perfect 10 and Amazon can bring forward evidence about whether "Google knew this was happening, whether they could have stopped it, and whether they didn't try". 

Anyway, this continues on. If you read, there are ways in which hyperlinking could lead to 'contributory infringement', but Perfect 10 would have to show evidence that these things actually happened.

But basically, if you read this, hyperlinking might lead to contributory infringement but BWP would have to bring evidence about what 3rd parties (i.e. people who are not Google) did copy, and show that this behavior was induced or encouraged by Google or failing that, Google has to have the power to stop it and fail to do so. And merely hyperlinking does not induce it-- Google has to do something more. This is a tough climb for them.

And: Getting back to BWP, we should note they not only complain of hyperlinking but also that

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For example, Defendant(s) have caused enabled, facilitated and materially
contributed to the infringement complained of herein by, providing the tools and instruction for
infringement via their Website(s) and have directly and indirectly promoted the infringement
and
Case 1:14-cv-00147-LY Document 1 Filed 02/18/14 Page 5 of 8
refused to exercise their ability to stop the infringement made possible by their distribution

This is way, way, way more than the ordinary  hyperlinker does. Most people hyperlinking merely create an inline link to show the image. They don't do anything like write "Go copy this image" or so on.  If they did do that, them maybe they would be guilty of 'contributory infringement'.  In this case, BWP is going to have to bring evidence showing that the defendant did do something to induce visitors to copy. maybe they did, maybe they didn't. We'll see.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Getty getting some of its own medicine
« on: February 07, 2014, 02:40:41 PM »
From the complaint:

23. Getty applied a watermark to the Work on the Website. The watermark
contained the logo for the Website and read “Thinkstock by Getty Images.”

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Getty getting some of its own medicine
« on: February 07, 2014, 02:26:47 PM »
I'm breaking up my comment because weird things are happening.

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5. Warranty and Limitation of Liability.
5.1   Getty Images warrants that: (i) the Licensed Material will be free from defects in material and workmanship for thirty (30) days from delivery (Licensee's sole and exclusive remedy for a breach of this warranty being the replacement of the Licensed Material); (ii) it has all necessary rights and authority to enter into and perform this Agreement; (iii) Licensee's use of the Licensed Material in accordance with this Agreement and in the form delivered by Getty Images (i.e., excluding any modifications, overlays or re-focusing by Licensee) will not infringe on any copyrights or moral rights of any person or entity; and (iv) if a release is provided by Getty Images pursuant to Section 4.1, Licensee's use of the Licensed Material in accordance with this Agreement and in the form delivered by Getty Images (i.e., excluding any modifications, overlays or re-focusing by Licensee) will not, where a property release is provided, infringe on any trademark or other intellectual property right and/or will not, where a model release is provided, violate any right of privacy or right of publicity.
5.2   GETTY IMAGES DOES NOT MAKE ANY OTHER WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, REGARDING THE LICENSED MATERIAL OR ITS DELIVERY SYSTEMS, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, ANY IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. GETTY IMAGES SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO LICENSEE OR ANY OTHER PERSON OR ENTITY FOR ANY PUNITIVE, SPECIAL, INDIRECT, CONSEQUENTIAL, INCIDENTAL OR OTHER SIMILAR DAMAGES, COSTS OR LOSSES ARISING OUT OF THIS AGREEMENT, EVEN IF GETTY IMAGES HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES, COSTS OR LOSSES. SOME JURISDICTIONS DO NOT PERMIT THE EXCLUSION OR LIMITATION OF IMPLIED WARRANTIES OR LIABILITY FOR CERTAIN CATEGORIES OF DAMAGES. GETTY IMAGES SHALL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES, COSTS OR LOSSES ARISING OUT OF OR AS A RESULT OF MODIFICATIONS MADE TO THE LICENSED MATERIAL BY LICENSEE OR THE CONTEXT IN WHICH LICENSED MATERIAL IS USED IN A LICENSEE WORK.

So Getty does warrant that they do, indeed, have a right to license on the part of the copyright holder. The license further reads

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Getty Images shall, subject to the terms of Section 5.2 above and Section 6.3 below, defend, indemnify and hold harmless Licensee and its parent, subsidiaries and commonly owned or controlled affiliates and their respective officers, directors and employees from all damages, liabilities and expenses (including reasonable outside attorney fees), arising out of or as a result of claims by third parties ( “Claims”) relating to any actual or alleged breach by Getty Images of its warranties set forth in Section 5.1(ii)-(iv) above. Getty Images shall have no obligation under this Section 6.1 for any Claims that arise out of or are a result of: (i) Licensee’s modification, overlay or re-focusing of the Licensed Material, where the Claim would not have arisen but for the modification, overlay or re-focusing made by Licensee; (ii) the context in which Licensed Material is used in a Licensee Work; where the Claim would not have arisen but for such context; (iii) Licensee’s failure to comply with the terms of this Agreement; or (iv) Licensee's continued use of Licensed Material following notice from Getty Images, or upon Licensee's knowledge, that Licensed Material is subject to a claim of infringement of another's right. The foregoing states Getty Images' entire indemnification obligation under this Agreement.

I read this to say that if BBB is sued by a claimant claiming the Getty was not authorized to license the image, Getty will pay their costs and will do so even if it turns out that Getty did was authorized.

I think the following says to get Getty to cover the costs, BBB has to inform Getty of the claim. Getty may elect to represent BBB in court:
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The party seeking indemnification pursuant to this Section 6 shall promptly notify the other party of such claim. At indemnifying party's option, indemnifying party may assume the handling, settlement or defense of any claim or litigation, in which event indemnified party shall cooperate in the defense of any such claim or litigation as may be reasonably requested by indemnifying party. Indemnified party shall have the right to participate in such litigation, at its expense, through counsel selected by indemnified party. Indemnifying party will not be liable for legal fees and other costs incurred prior to the other party giving notice of the claim for which indemnity is sought

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I suspect that your cases would be "de minimus".  I'll take an oscar quote from

http://www.extortionletterinfo.com/forum/getty-images-letter-forum/pdn-article-featuring-%27kindly-uncle%27-glen-carner/10/?wap2

Davis v. The Gap,246 F.3d 152 (2d Cir. 2001).  Another interesting section on this case talks about how de minimis (minimal or trivial) infringement is not infringement at all:

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"The de minimis doctrine is rarely discussed in copyright opinions because suits are rarely brought over trivial instances of copying. Nonetheless, it is an important aspect of the law of copyright. Trivial copying is a significant part of modern life. Most honest citizens in the modern world frequently engage, without hesitation, in trivial copying that, but for the de minimis doctrine, would technically constitute a violation of law. We do not hesitate to make a photocopy of a letter from a friend to show to another friend, or of a favorite cartoon to post on the refrigerator. Parents in Central Park photograph their children perched on Jose de Creeft's Alice in Wonderland sculpture. We record television programs aired while we are out, so as to watch them at a more convenient hour.8 Waiters at a restaurant sing "Happy Birthday" at a patron's table. When we do such things, it is not that we are breaking the law but unlikely to be sued given the high cost of litigation. Because of the de minimis doctrine, in trivial instances of copying, we are in fact not breaking the law. If a copyright owner were to sue the makers of trivial copies, judgment would be for the defendants. The case would be dismissed because trivial copying is not an infringement." 
 

Anyway: It sounds like the only way anything would find that image is to send a bot to scour your site. So, the only "display" is to bots-- not even people.  What you should do on the legal level, I don't know. But I suspect with a good lawyer, (and possibly with none-- but help in pointing out the issue) Getty would lose. (Note: I am not a lawyer.)



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They sent us a screen shot of a blog post from November of 2010 side by side with a photo they said was on the post but didn't even appear in the screen shot.

(1) Sounds like you are saying the image they claim was in the post doesn't even appear on the post? Ordinarily we advise taking it down as a matter of caution. But that would be rather impossible if the image doesn't even appear in the post.  Obviously, if the image is not there, they can't win a suit for a copyright violation!
(2) Nov. 2010? Are you in the US? The statute of limitations for filing a claim in court is 3 years from when they find the violation. Sounds like they missed that by a few months.  That means they missed the statute of limitations in Nov. 2013.  Too bad. So sad .... for them!

If the facts are as I understand them and especially if you are in the US, you should breath a huge sigh of relief.  Also: You should write a letter of complaint to the Attorney General complaining about the letter. Because this would be a great #gettyflub !

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