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Today we got a packet from Higbee in the mail that I believe others have described on this thread – a letter giving us 15 days to pay a "firm settlement of $5,000" and a copy of a Complaint they will file if we don't (unfiled, no case #, etc.). And yes, instead of Youngson, the client is now RM Media, Ltd.

I just feel inclined to ignore it as they've let multiple deadlines like this pass. As far as  I know, neither Youngson nor RM Media has ever gone to court. It seems like it would be so costly to go to court for them for what they might get out of it. We offered them a fair amount of money (in our mind) which they have reused.

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Again, thank you, Matthew. Much appreciated info and insight.


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At this point I do know a bit more about these matters than my employer, and I don't feel he's hiding behind me. I feel in our situation, thus far, it's been appropriate for me to handle the communication. But maybe that's changing. We discussed the matter and decided to "not take the call."

We've never spoken to anyone from Higbee on the phone and I have asked them to communicate via email but I've never direct said "do not call us."

Also – my employer is pretty strict about business / personal separation. Thanks again for the insight.

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Thanks for the insight, Matthew, it's much appreciated.

I believe the financial "standing" thing mentioned was from over 10 years ago and it only happened once and resulted in a fine of less than $50 or something like that.

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Hi Matthew – thanks so much for the reply.

But I should have been more clear – I work for a small magazine that Highbee is trying to scare. After months and months of back and forth (including me offering fair amounts of money in compensation) Highbee is calling our owner now. Our owner is the first person they contacted and then I took over communications.

This is not a case of Highbee calling an employer unrelated to the case.

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They got back at it yesterday, someone new (an Associate Attorney) calling and sending an email to my employer. Here's the bulk of the email from the Law Offices of Higbee & Associates ...

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I am an attorney with The Law Firm of Higbee & Associates, my email is in regard to the copyright claim involving [YOU].

I am attempting to contact you regarding a settlement agreement for a copyright claim you had with my client.

Please contact me if you are interested in settling this outside of court. Should I not hear from you, I will advise my client to pursue this in federal court.

So there's that. Seems like more of the same. The other deadlines they gave us before legal action came and went. This is the first we've heard from them in months. 

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@ kingkendall

No worries! As others on this thread have mentioned, it's so good to know how many people are in this boat. Thanks so much for the info on Higbee. 

Hey, fun fact: I actually emailed Youngson right when this all started, asking how to properly cite his images, and he politely responded. I quoted his reply in an email to Higbee and they were not happy about it. Just kinda funny.

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@ Robert Krausankas

So true.

Also, according to his email, he prefers to be called "Mat."

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@ kingkendall

Thanks for the reply! Wish we had ignored them right away. Ah well.

The thing is, I HIGHLY doubt they will accept my third offer, as it will be quite low, yet extremely generous for the limited use of an image offered for free.

If their email is to be believed, they've spent $500 emailing with me since October.

I may just let it go.

Thanks again!

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We've been dealing with this very same issue on an image from Nicholas (Nick) Youngson of NYPhotographic.com since the Fall of 2016. Exact same problem as others (accidental problem on the image's attribution under CC 3.0), dealing with Higbee and Ass.

I immediately deleted the image from our server and took down the page it was on (where it got a whopping 11 pageviews). We offered to settle out of court for a small but very reasonable sum of money. They refused it, and went from asking for $5,000 to $2,000. Then I asked for further proof Youngson owns the image as it's supposedly part of a group of images with a copyright and (as mentioned by another poster here) the proof of registration doesn't directly reference the image itself.

In addition to asking a specialist at Higbee for sales info on the image and an explanation of how Youngson calculated $2,000 in (out-of court) compensation, I (at Higbee's suggestion) made a few inquiries to the US Copyright Office about getting a deposit of registration, but the process has been very slow, and I've yet to hear back from the Copyright Office.

All communication with Higbee has been via email, with "Daniela Lupean, Claims Resolution Specialist - Copyright Enforcement Division."

The case sat as-is for months, with the occasional email and voicemail from Higbee, wondering how things are going with the copyright proof.

Then, in early April, they escalated things and threatened to go to court if they didn't hear back in 24 hours. I sent an email and after some more back and forth, I set up a phone call with the specialist for today (April 14). But after finding this thread a few days ago, I canceled the phone call and offered another reasonable amount of money, though much lower than $2,000. I also said that if Youngson refuses the offer, we'll need to see the info I requested before considering a greater sum. I also told the specialist that if they need to talk to me they can do so via email or leave me a voicemail message.

Today, my employer got the following email (I've deleted some info) ...

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From: Mathew Higbee <[email protected]>
Subject: Copyright Claim -
Date: April 14, 2017 11:44:13 AM CDT

Mr. XX-

This case has been moved to the litigation team.    I am now your point of contact on this case.    Ms. Lupean forwarded your last email to me.

The documentation that we have provided is more than sufficient to demonstrate the validity of the claim.  A quick search of the internet will provide you with an abundance of evidence that supports the validity of who we are, who are client is and the ownership of the image that you used.  If that facts were other that what we represent, we would be committing fraud and we would be liable under civil and criminal law.  If you want me to provide more supporting documentation, I can, but it will end up making this case more expensive for you as the client will pass on the cost to you.   

As this is a timely registered image, i you were to prove to the court that your infringement was unintentional, the mimum amount you would have to pay would be $750 plus court costs and our client’s attorneys fees.  If the court does not believe your unintentional defense and finds that the infringement was willful, the mimunim amount a judge could award would be $35,000 plus court costs and our client’s attorneys fees.

Our client has already incurred substantial costs tracking down the infringement and documenting it,  and our law firm has already spent considerable time communicating with you regarding the case.   As a last chance offer to avoid litigation,  I will give you a one-time offer of $1,250 ($750 statutory damages + $500 for our time)  to settle this case.  This offer expires Monday morning, at which time we will prepare the case for litigation.  We will also present this offer as evidence to the court that we made earnest efforts and reasonable offers to resolve this case, and ask the court increase award to our client as a result of your forcing this claim to be resolved in the courts.

My review of the Wisconsin Secretary of State records leads me to believe that this is a single owner or closely help LLC and, based on the chronology showing multiple times that the corporation has lost its standing (which leads me to believe that corporate formalities are not well maintained and piercing the corporate veil would be easy), I would recommend that my client name you personally on the law suit.   

An offer of $1250  is a dramatic reduction by my client.  I hope you make the smart business decision and accept this offer.   If you have additional questions or wish to accept the offer, please contact me by email or phone at 714-617-8352 (my direct line).

-Mat
Mathew K. Higbee
Attorney at Law

TL;DR
"As a last chance offer to avoid litigation,  I will give you a one-time offer of $1,250 ($750 statutory damages + $500 for our time)  to settle this case.  This offer expires Monday morning."

This is the first time Higbee himself has sent a message.

Any thoughts on what to do now? I'm inclined to ignore it or offer an third, small amount of money.

Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

Thanks!

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